The Point of No Return

Not the point of no return we’re going to talk about here, but still pretty close.

 

There is a concept in pickup called “The Point of No Return”. That’s when the girl does something she considers inappropriate, then you don’t fuck her, and then at home when she’s not aroused anymore she remembers the things she did, feels bad about it, and just breaks contact.

Some recent examples from my practice follow.

 

Varvara

Several months ago when I’ve returned to Russia I’ve called one of the girls who I was gaming before leaving the country. We had two dates back then, but nothing came out of it. She was super flakey, and I wasn’t skilled enough. So this time I invite her again, do some serious kino, and she gets really aroused. We kiss passionately in the restaurant, but the logistics are bad. She has plans for the evening. So I walk her to the metro, we kiss riding the escalator, and part there. I never see her again. She replies to my messages, but her replies are too damn cold, and I just cannot schedule another date.

A nice 19yo brunette six, unfucked by me. Moral of the story: by hook or by crook, I should have dragged her home after that date.

 

Anna

This one is in progress, but my chances are slim. And it will be a real pity if she slips through my fingers as I genuinely like this girl.

I’ve met her on Day 11 of Sparta. A cute six with a long auburn hair going all the way down to her waist, big blue eyes, and a warm and open smile. She’s 21, but looks like she’s 16. Totally my type.

So we have five dates throughout the course of 6 weeks, and I can see she’s really into me. On one of the dates I get her a book on Presence (this concept deserves a separate post, but for now I’ll just provide a link to YouSoWould’s blog), and on the fifth date she brings a can of some super tasty honey that we enjoy with tea at my apartment.

It is also this girl that has sent the best flake apology I’ve ever received so far. See for yourself:

Vlad, I fell asleep! My temperature went up, so my sister decided to turn off my phone so that nothing would bother me. I’m such a flake. Please forgive me. I’ll get you a heap of tasty yummies when I get better. And I really want to see you! Please don’t think badly of me. I don’t know why I’m constantly getting sick these days.

The only problem with her was that she was closing down every time I would try some more or less serious kino, and this is why it’s taken so many dates. On the 4th date I was finally smelling her hair, and then on the 5th I kissed her and we had a short makeout.

I could feel that she was super hot, but she needed to go home that evening, and so I decided to go all the way on the next date. Well, my mistake! Apparently kissing was a point of no return for her. I’ve called her the next day, and she just dropped the call, something she never did before. What the fuck, really?

Moral of the story: if the girl is hot and you’re kissing her in your apartment, use all the tricks up your sleeve to fuck her. Don’t you dare let her go, as you might not see her ever again.

This time I thought that as it’s the 5th date, it is perfectly OK, and we already have the basic trust established so that there won’t be any surprises. As it happens, I was wrong.

 

Maria & Ekaterina

This is a short story by my friend. He was in a club, met two cute girls there, and then went to a small bar with them to chat and share a drink.

He is an ORS seven, and has a super strong instinct. What that means is that some girls get wet just by being close to him. So he was sitting there with these two ladies, and then one of them went to the restroom. And while Maria was in the restroom, he just pulled Ekaterina in and made out with her. Then Maria came back, and this time Ekaterina went to the restroom. And you already know what he did, right? He just pulled her in and made out with her.

Some pretty ballsy stuff, making out with two girls who know each other in turn. Unfortunately, this encounter didn’t end in a threesome, and the girls didn’t reply to date invitations afterwards.

Moral of the story: I have no idea what the moral here is. But wait. It’s actually pretty simple. When a girl is aroused, you should fuck her!

 

Now for some theory

It is an established practice in the community to create models that would explain all kinds of erratic female behaviour. We don’t buy into the Feminine Mystique. Well, the funny thing is that I was unable to find a good explanation for the concept of the point of no return.

On the surface it’s very plain actually. A hindbrain/forebrain conflict, which is not resolved in any way by you, but is simply overcome by getting her aroused and/or drunk. And then when you make a critical mistake of not fucking her, everything goes awry, as the next day when she’s sober, with a dry vagina and finally able to think more or less clearly, she remembers all the nasty things she did, and slut-shames herself into breaking contact with you.

Sounds like something socially acquired, right? Well, what I’m thinking is that this might well have some evolutionary origins, and the reason for this is that if she gets fucked after all, the mechanism rarely kicks in, even though all the variables stay in place. Think about it this way. A woman goes nasty with a man, but he doesn’t fuck her. Why would that be? If he were a real Alpha pack leader, he would fuck her despite all her objections. But if he’s of a lower value, then he has other things to worry about, like not getting caught in the process. So the evolutionary thinking goes like this: “I was aroused and ready to fuck AND he didn’t fuck me THUS he must be low value”. Makes sense?

Why all this evolutionary bullshit, you ask? Well, because I want to have a workable model of how to behave when I pass the point of no return. I already can hear some arguments that go along the lines of “Just don’t go past it in the first place”, and “This one is already fucked up, better spend your time developing new prospects”. And while it is often a wise choice to cut the losses and just charge it to the game, I don’t believe it is wise to give up without trying.

So how to behave? Two options here:

1. If the reaction is indeed evolutionary, then trying to get back some of your Alpha cred is the way. Which means playing it cool and doing the pull. Behave as if you have a harem of other girls to keep you happy AKA “it’s her loss”.
2. If the reaction is based on social conditioning, then it would make sense to try to throw in more comfort. The only problem is that I have no idea whatsoever how to do it in a non-needy way.

The funny part? I’ve tried both ways before, and they didn’t work. I’m still thinking that #1 is the way to go though. It’s not like I’m getting a lot of readers in this corner of the internet, but if you’re reading this, then you’re very welcome to share your experience. I hate being needy, but I need your input.